Host: Steve Macchia, Guest: Rev. Jen Keifer
“You and I, we find our passion somewhere between a fist in the air of injustice and the tear in our eye of compassion and mercy.” – Steve Macchia
In this episode of The Discerning Leader Podcast, host Steve Macchia is joined by Rev. Jen Kiefer, who shares her deeply personal journey of crafting and living a rule of life rooted in belovedness rather than burnout. Jen reflects on a transformative season of brokenness that led her into contemplative rhythms, restorative justice, and a renewed understanding of God as the lover of her soul. Through vivid storytelling—including the creation of a quilt inspired by Micah 6:8—she explores how fury, mercy, and hope shape both her spiritual formation and pastoral ministry.
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Steve Macchia (Podcast Host)
Founder and President of Leadership Transformations,
Steve Macchia is the author of The Discerning Life, Becoming a Healthy Church, Broken and Whole, Crafting a Rule of Life and several other titles. Steve has over 40 years in ministry and two postgraduate degrees from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.

Jen Keifer (Season 38 Guest)
The Rev. Jen Keifer completed seminary and was ordained to the priesthood in 2024. Her ministry has taken shape at the intersection of pastoral care, ecological stewardship, and community repair. Drawing on her family’s lived experience with trauma and mental health, as well as her experience as a transracially adoptive parent, Mother Jen is committed to helping the church engage healing work that is relational, grounded, and attentive to power, dignity, and belonging. She brings this commitment into preaching, formation, and hands-on community engagement, trusting that God’s reconciling work is often slow, embodied, and rooted in place.
