Host: Steve Macchia, Guest: Bill Simmons
“I find in all the work I do with leaders and teams in various contexts, they’re exhausted. They know they’re exhausted and just keep going.” – Steve Macchia
In this episode of The Discerning Leader Podcast, Steve Macchia welcomes Bill Simmons to share themes from his new book, The Way of Interruption: Spiritual Practice for Organizational Life. Bill is the president and CEO of Hope Rises, International. In this conversation, he shares wisodm in how letting go of control and embracing established practices can transform an organization’s spiritual culture.
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Steve Macchia (Podcast Host)
Founder and President of Leadership Transformations
Steve is the author of The Discerning Life, Becoming a Healthy Church, Broken and Whole, Crafting a Rule of Life and several other titles. Steve has over 40 years in ministry and two postgraduate degrees from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.

Bill Simmons (Season 36 Guest)
Since 2010, Bill has served as President and CEO of Hope Rises International, formerly American Leprosy Missions, which was founded in 1906. Bill’s book The Way of Interruption released in March of 2025. Bill and his wife Cindi live in Greenville, SC. Bill graduated from the University of Tennessee with a BA in Political Science and is pursuing postgraduate studies in spiritual formation at Gordon–Conwell Theological Seminary. Bill has been featured in The New York Times, NonProfit PRO, Authority Magazine and the Leprosy Review.
