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Doug and Greg Scalise | Discerning Congregational Health, Episode 5

Host: Steve Macchia, Guests: Greg & Doug Scalise

You don’t need a big budget, a lot of people, or a nice building to have the presence of God and loving, caring relationships.”  Greg Scalise 

Pastors Doug and Greg Scalise are third and fourth-generation pastors. Their family has over one hundred years of Christian ministry. Doug and Greg join Steve Macchia for a conversation on healthy churches. They each share personal stories of growing up in Christian homes and churches. Loving and caring relationships have shaped both father and son, reminding us that the church can fill the need for meaningful relationships, connection, support, and encouragement. Doug and Greg encourage the listener to recognize the power of God’s Empowering Spirit within healthy churches. 

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Steve Macchia (Podcast Host)
Founder and President of Leadership Transformations
Steve is the author of The Discerning Life,  Becoming a Healthy ChurchBroken and WholeCrafting a Rule of Life and several other titles. Steve has over 40 years in ministry and two postgraduate degrees from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.

Doug Scalise (Season 29 Guest)
Rev. Dr. Doug Scalise is the Lead Pastor of Brewster Baptist Church on Cape Cod, MA. Doug has studied, taught, and practiced the classic Christian spiritual disciplines since his studies at Boston University School of Theology. Doug and his wife Jill will celebrate their 35th wedding anniversary this summer. They have two married sons Nathan and Greg, who is also on this podcast, and two grandsons. Doug is the son and grandson of pastors, and their family has well over 100 years of service in pastoral ministry.

Greg Scalise (Season 29 Guest)
Greg Scalise serves as the pastor of the First Baptist Church of Mansfield, Massachusetts and recently accepted a call to the First Baptist Church of Manchester, New Hampshire. Greg studied philosophy at Harvard College, poetry at Johns Hopkins University, and divinity at Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary. Before becoming a pastor, Greg worked as an English teacher, land conservationist, oysterman, and camp counselor. Greg and his wife Marci, also a Gordon Conwell graduate, have one son, Victor.

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Steve Macchia

Founder & President

The Rev. Dr. Stephen A. Macchia is founder and president of Leadership Transformations, Inc. (LTI), a ministry serving the spiritual formation, discernment, and renewal of leaders and learners since 2003. For more than 20 years he has been the Director of the Pierce Center for Disciple-Building at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, where he also serves as an adjunct faculty member in the Doctor of Ministry Program. From 1989-2003 he was the president of Vision New England, the largest regional church renewal association in the country. Earlier in his ministry life, Steve was a member of the pastoral staff of Grace Chapel in Lexington, Massachusetts for 11 years. He is the author or co-author of 17 books, including The Discerning Life (Zondervan Reflective), and Crafting a Rule of Life, Becoming A Healthy Church (LTI), and Broken and Whole (IVP).  He and his wife Ruth live in the Boston (MA) area and are the proud parents of two married children and grandparents to three adorable grandchildren. Steve’s personal website is

My soul comes alive singing the great hymns of the church and enjoying the beauty of God’s creation. I’m in awe of God for fulfilling the dream for LTI that he birthed in my heart, for the team he has assembled, and the transformational impact experienced in the leaders and teams we serve.

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Mitzi Mak

Selah-West Faculty

Mitzi started her professional life as a high school social studies teacher. She and her husband Jerry then served cross-culturally for ten+ years, living abroad first in India and then Kurdistan, N. Iraq. In addition to being a Spiritual Director, she now serves as a Formation and Care pastor in her local church in Houston, TX. She has graduated from LTI’s Selah Spiritual Direction training as well as LTI’s Emmaus Formational Leadership Program.

Mitzi enjoys engaging conversation, reading fiction, doing jigsaw/crossword puzzles, ocean gazing and exploring the world with Jerry through food and travel.

God has two main callings in Mitzi’s life: to care for those who care for others and to be a guide in helping others have a healthy relationship with the Trinity – recognizing God’s loving presence and activity in their lives and how to faithfully respond.

Selah was a transformative experience for me – allowing the contemplative within to emerge and to beautifully co-exist with my extraverted personality.