Bill and Kristi Gaultiere | Summer 2025: Rewind, Episode 5
Host: Steve Macchia, Guests: Bill and Kristi Gaultiere
This episode originally aired on November 10, 2022 as Episode 6 of Season 22
“Ohh, I need to do some more inner journey work. This is an invitation.” –Kristi Gaultiere
Bill and Kristi Gaultiere join Steve for a rich conversation about spiritual practices, discernment and soul care. In their book Journey of the Soul, they reflect on more than 70,000 hours of therapy and spiritual direction with people. In this REWIND episode of The Discerning Leader podcast, Bill and Kristi share six stages of spiritual growth and different walls that we experience. These walls start as periods of disorientation but become transition times to a more Christ-centered way of being. Listen as they share personal stories and offer a map to help every person through their own journey of the soul.
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Steve Macchia (Podcast Host)
Founder and President of Leadership Transformations
Steve is the author of The Discerning Life, Becoming a Healthy Church, Broken and Whole, Crafting a Rule of Life and several other titles. Steve has over 40 years in ministry and two postgraduate degrees from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary.

Bill and Kristi Gaultiere (Guest)
Bill and Kristi Gaultiere are Drs of Psychology and the Founders of Soul Shepherding, a ministry to help pastors, leaders, churches, and all those desiring to thrive with Jesus in emotional and relational health. They are authors of a number of soul care books and resources. They have been speaking and writing about following Jesus in life and ministry since 1987. Bill & Kristi are opposite in personality, with Bill as a Type A thinker and Kristi as a relational feeler. But together, their styles and stories blend to create their book, Journey of the Soul, which guides you out of the stuck places in your spiritual life and into the expansive areas of intimacy with God, emotional health, and loving relationships.
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